PROPHET64 & MSSIAH Userforum

firestARTer wrote:

Short answer : Because it's more cool! 

...and cause ableton live costs a few hundred bucks.....

.... if you buy it...... *whistles innocently*


Also same reason People Still buy Moogs with Knobs on em.

Last edited by Cybertronic (2009-03-20 01:08:38)

I completely agree. except on the sid2sid part. i want two c64s with dual sids so i can have 12  voices simultaneously on a single mixer channel for ultimate detuning madness :-). aside from that your setup sounds almost  identical to mine.

Just my 0.02$ about the reasons for drilling holes and installing pots (your mileage may vary?):

- it's cheaper than any average MIDI controller
- pots are realtime  - WYSIWYG (unlike midi controllers just sending CC values when you twist a knob)
- hard wired pots don't forget the preset and one doesn't have to dig out the CC list to recreate a setup.
- the compact & standalone factor
- compatible to other software (from Arkanoid to Cynthcart [too bad it it's not called Zynthcart ]])
- some don´t use MIDI that much in their setups (like me )
- certainly, it's way cooler than having a separate box with MIDI knobs

Unless you are using an evolution uc-17, because that you can mount in a seperate commodore enclosure and have it look legit next to c64

hey, you guys the vermin twins are cool, I liked your music samples. I currently await my mssiah and sid2sid board which I ordered last friday. (How long do you think it will take to ship to USA?) Over the weekend I installed a 1/4" stereo jack  for audio in/out to sid 1. I also installed a 500k potentiometer for the feedback mod (I won't be able to control feedback with midi, duh) The pot only makes a noticeable difference in sound when I get to the last few degrees of rotation. I have read many others who had this trouble with joystick pots. Bigmech's solution (which we reference like the c64 mod bible) consists of 100k pots with a 4.7n capacitor for the joystick pots, but he says "I'm still experimenting" with the feedback pot. It's obvious that I need a pot with a lower value (perhaps 100k will do the trick!) has anyone else found the perfect pot for feedback?

One other thing, it creates a noticeable effect even when I don't have line-in enabled, but not an overdriven distorted sound (as with line-in) rather, more like a subtle ring modulation. Is this normal?

I'm going to do this, except with a sequencer on the atari ST, whihc bypasses the (theoretical) expense of Live AND the comparative instability of Windows/MacOS machines.  Plus it will look good, which never hurts.

Yes. It is too bad the MSSIAH doesnt support sysex. I am working on a solution that will support loading and saving patches on a VST host, provided you tweak the MSSIAH using midi cc's from that host using the plugin. That won't work on an Atari ST ofcourse, but it should be a nice workaround/addition for people running MSSIAH from a VST enabled sequencer on a PC. I had to resort to a VST solution because the (my :-) ) logic required to correctly load and save patches using MIDI CC's was too complicated for a basic MIDI panel. Once the solution is ready, I dont think it should be too hard to build a convertor that will convert my preset files into something that can be imported into MSSIAH directly. I am after all, saving all settings for all CC parameters of MSSIAH. I figure an instrument preset file would have a similar structure.

Last edited by lynxxx (2009-03-23 17:26:22)

Yeah, the VST wrappers are fantastic, I'm definitely going to download and try them all at some point.

What software would you recommend for using the ST as a synth?  I'd LOVE to use MaxYMiser but I don't have a color monitor.  I tried a couple of standalone programs that didn't seem that exciting to me, but I would love to get some YM stuff going alongside my "real" FM synth (a tx802) that I'm starting to use for FM drums (nice sounding kicks have been easy to program; snares are proving harder).  I'll have to have a laptop for MSSIAH patch storage either way.

sorry lusty, I cannot reccomend a good program for synthesis as I've never used an atari st. (We were a commodore family) but your st is already equipped with midi, surely there must be some application that will allow you to play notes through it in realtime.  I was just thinking you'd have another 8-bit weapon at your disposal.

Word. While your playing a real live with plenty of machines you start to understand why some things are not virtual. Mouse does not do the job while you truly need the control.

djjohnnyjams,

If I can ever find a complete working C64, your set up sounds similar to what I have in mind except I will be using FL Studio. Since you are controlling Mssiah with Ableton, do you need a monitor with your C64?